Fuzzy Shorts: Conservatives, Staying Together and Staying Focused

Because I found myself typing mini-posts in response to the comments on my last post, I thought I’d just do a  follow-up post in response to the many insightful and thoughtful comments as well as to some of the comments and arguments I’m seeing around the blogosphere, on both the left and the right.

Center-Right, Right?
We keep reminding BO and his traitorous horde that we are a center-right nation.  I think, though, that we need to fully grasp what that means ourselves.  The operative part of “center-right” for BO is “right,” but the operative part of “center-right” for us is “center.”  The American people are mostly in the center, right in the dead center of the political left/right extremes.  (Well, okay, BO also needs to grasp the “center” part.)  But we know that we are center-right country, we say it ourselves, and we need to keep it firmly in mind when considering the future of our nation and how to undo the extreme damage inflicted by the triumvirate of tyranny (all are, we should also note, still in power, even if that power is substantially less now than it was a week ago).

If we read the last two years as a call to a far right agenda, we’re sadly mistaken and are going to do exactly what BO and his cronies did:  get in power, misread completely why we’re there, stir things up, anger the nation, and get booted out on our butts.  That’s not a good plan.  The conservative ascendancy is real, don’t get me wrong, but there would be tremendous overreach if we started talking about issues that we know for a fact the majority of the country are “moderate” on (i.e. vaguely in favor of or against or ambivalent enough not to support massive change).  This is simply fact.  There is too much that we can do, that we do have the power to change, for us to push too far, too fast.

Social vs. Political/Fiscal Conservatism (hint: these two things are not reconcilable)
I’m not seeing this here as much as out in the right blogosphere, but here’s the deal.  We are a center-right nation (see point above), and we’ve been rudely awakened to just how much socialism has already achieved a strangle-hold on our nation (even before BO), but undoing it all will be a process, just as putting all that in place was a process.  We’re not going to be able to undo it all overnight, or in four years, or in eight, or even in twelve or twenty.  We need to accept that and work with it rather than against it.  Working against reality isn’t going very well for the far left, and I don’t think it’s going to work well for us, either.

The call for social conservativism will, to my mind, be the quickest way to ensure that we lose not only indies but also a good-sized chunk of Tea Party people who responded to “Taxed Enough Already” but will not respond to “Let’s repeal Roe v. Wade and Ban Gay Marriage.”  One of the things about being a conservative that resonates for me is that we refuse to do what the far left does:  if we don’t like something, we don’t do it, and we teach our children not to do it.  You know that old saw about leftists: if one is a vegetarian, they want to outlaw meat for all.  That’s not what conservatives do or should do:  we don’t make something we don’t do a crime or tax it into disuse.  We don’t give false choices (as BO constantly does).  We believe in liberty and freedom, and yes, that means that some people will be free to make choices we don’t like.  Deal with it, says the conservative. 

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams (October 11, 1798)

The way to approach social conservative values is not not not through laws and taxes and other leftist tools of manipulation, enforcement, encroachment on individual liberty, and oppression.  The way to social conservative values is through homes, schools, church, community, towns, cities, and states.  Get God and country back in our society and culture, reject every attempt to silence or marginalize Christians and patriots.  Fight for the freedoms spelled out in the Constitution, and the rest will fall into place.  We, the people, are responsible for our society, and society is not government, and you cannot legislate morality.  We know this when we think of the leftists busily dreaming up laws to control everything from how much salt we eat to which healthcare plan we have to buy to get into Heaven (or something), but we forget this, too easily, when it comes to legislating our own morality. 

Third Party
Not just no, but hell no.  This would be a tremendous mistake for 2012, but as I’ve said previously, I don’t think it’s off the table for all time.  I do think that the conservative movement would do well to simply get the GOP back on track; we already have the party that we’d create, it’s just been allowed (by the people, remember, we put them there) to go off the rails.  We screwed up–we didn’t pay attention, we were complacent, we were “fat and happy,” and we were cowed by PC bs.  GOP establishment did what any pol would do, they took advantage of our looking the other way; any new or third party would do the exact same thing unless we held their feet to the fire and remained engaged.  We need to fix what is broken, not walk away from our mistake.  And we are doing that now with the Tea Party movement and the conservative ascendancy; I see no reason to entertain the idea of a third party and every reason not to (read:  “BO, a two-term president “–*shudder*).

2010 and 2012: The one-two punch that sends progs packing . . . for good this time
It took dems two cycles to get their supermajorities in Congress and the WH, and it’s going to take two cycles for us to take them back.  But we have to stay focused and not get drunk with power and lose sight of important priorities, of the pressing matters that need attention (and repeal) with 2012 Republican victories–this is the only window of opportunity to repeal that healthcare monstrosity.  And I think we can meet the challenge, but we need to pull together and stay together just as we’ve done for the last two years.  And we can do that.  No problem. 

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10 thoughts on “Fuzzy Shorts: Conservatives, Staying Together and Staying Focused

  1. Fuzzy, I think you make some fantastic points here. You've given me some things to mull over and I think you are right about fiscal vs. social conservatism. You are also very right in that the socialistic programs that have been put into place didn't happen overnight and we cannot expect to reverse them overnight. Excellent food for thought on this Tuesday morning – thanks.

  2. My biggest fear is that people are looking at this the same way the dems looked at the last two election cycles. The election was not a mandate to go far right, it was to say that we don't like the current direction.

    Our biggest job must be to educate people about the socialism that is worming its way into our society. Far too many just don't believe it.

  3. @Lisa, thanks! 🙂

    @jacg, that's my fear, too, and what I'm hearing echoes of on the right. That's a path we can't go down, and I agree that we need to educate people on socialism. They just don't understand what it is and how it actually works outside theory. They also don't seem to understand that there is little that's less American than socialism . . . in every conceivable way.

    @Odie, I so agree, and that has to be our approach to taking back our country. Taking back the government (putting it back in the hands of the people and the state) will be an ongoing process, but it has be to slashed back within the Constitutional framework. That will necessitate our states and the people taking control over socio-cultural norms, values, and mores. That's where we run into trouble because we are fighting two wars: the progs and socialists who seek a New World Order (secular) and Islam which is also seeking world domination of a less secular (to put it mildly) nature. Right now they are working together but from opposite positions, so we face two fronts in our fight to save our republic.

  4. I actually cringe at the prospect of the social conservatives calling the shots, because they often sound like the soc-progs and letting them become the face of conservatism is half the problem that conservatives have in attracting new members. Yes, I'm Catholic and hate abortion, but the way to do away with it is to convince people that it's wrong, and that's really not the government's job; that's what the First Amendment was all about, not mixing religion and government. I've always been of the opinion that if you fix the economic problems, the social problems take care of themselves.

    Good post. We have to be as patient as the soc-progs and realize that we're facing an incremental battle. They've gotten this far by half steps; we have to be willing to do the same.

  5. Excuse me for my mini-post, in response to your post, but would I be me if I did not? 😉

    I agree wholeheartedly that socially conservative views must not become the talking points of the American political right. We elected this crop of conservative individuals because of their message of concern over the use (or misuse, as it were) of our money by a bureaucratic entity that only acts in the interest of its own preservation.

    In all honesty, the perception of social conservatives I held in my youth was a lot of why I was a “liberal” in my younger days. I didn't want to hear from Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell how to live my life; I wanted to live my life my way, no matter how stupid I was.

    This behavior is also much of what I today despise about the progs; their insistence that they are just so gosh-darned right about everything, and that if they think they're correct about something, well then there sure should be a law stating as much… your vegetarian example is excellent.

    I don't necessarily know if I believe that as fiscal issues are corrected, then social problems tend to take care of themselves, but I also do not believe that that is not a possibility.

    I do definitely believe that there will always be some who will choose to do what others consider immoral (i.e. abortion), yet in a truly free society we must accept the actions of others that do not comply with our own beliefs. Sometimes the actions of others might even harm us; such is the risk of freedom from the tyrannical overreach of a bureaucratic entity that only acts in the interest of its own preservation.

    Lastly.. although in principle I agree with Odie's theory, what makes me nervous about the idea of teaching morals and values in schools is.. well, the fact that we already have morals and values being taught in schools.

    Certainly we're all familiar with the likes of “And Tango Makes Three,” or “Darwin Has Two Mommies.” That's morality being taught in public schools, just not the morals most of us believe need to be taught.

    I don't personally care one way or another about homosexuality. I definitely believe tolerance is important, but even as a single man who has no children I can see the irrationality of teaching (essentially) babies about gay people and making it virtually acceptable, parent's personal opinion be damned. Let the poor kids deal with cooties for a bit of their lives before you start getting into such issues…

    Most Americans really don't think kids need to be taught how to put a condom on a cucumber in the third grade, but because of the 100 year plus decay in our society overall thanks to the progressive movement (most noticeable since about 1963 when prayer was removed from public school) we have a long, difficult, and very uphill battle to regain a strong fiber of morality in America.

  6. @john-holton, I agree, social conservatives tend to want to use the same tactics (including bullying, name-calling, legislation, etc.) that progs use; that's an immediate red flag. Or it should be. I do want to make one small point: the First Amendment is not about not mixing government and religion–it's about the state not being able to make certain laws regarding religion (and other things, but our focus here is religion): the state cannot make laws that establish a state religion nor those that stop people from freely exercising their religion. The courts, particularly the Supreme Court, has interpreted that to mean that church and state should be separated.

    This is causing some interesting problems for lefties right now who suddenly want it to mean what it originally meant so that we can accommodate Islam and Sharia. In a weird sort of way, the progs may just have established a century's worth of precedent that will protect us from Sharia. They're hating that, but I'm pretty okay with it.

    What we need to do is ensure that we are just as adamant about protecting our First Amendment rights to exercise our religion–Christians are starting to be told that they cannot wear a cross on their person or pray wherever they wish, etc. This is unacceptable, and we've let it go on too long. But yes, this happened slowly, and we've got to be dedicated to the long-term future of our country.

  7. @Sol, yay! I love your comments muchly, mini-post away. 🙂 The only social concerns that we need to worry about are those that affect our fiscal and economic stability. This obviously includes every single entitlement and the Department of Education. Everything else will just have to be on the shoulders of the people and the states (including the 50 state departments of ed, etc.).

    I do not believe that solving fiscal problems will solve social ones, but I do believe that in solving our fiscal problems, we'll move a lot of people off the government dependency and make them stand on their own more (I do think we need safety nets for the poor, but not what we have now, not careers on unemployment and food stamps, nor generational welfare). This will do wonders for our society, returning us to self-sufficiency and personal responsibility, and these in turn will certainly affect society and our culture. It's actually become “cool” to be on food stamps (and to buy gourmet food with them!). This is not acceptable.

    I'm all for moral freedom, more so than many conservatives, but I do draw the line at harming others. You cannot, for example, beat or rape women because your religion says it's okay, ditto murder and oppression. This drawing the line, however, is used by the left to make fantastical leaps. For example, illegals not having health insurance costs money, so we should just give them health insurance. Um, no. We should get them the hell out of our country and then when they need health care, they can get it in their own country, on their own tax payers' dime (or peso or whatever). Or how about fat kids are unhealthy and a drain on our health care system, so let's ban salt, sugar, and happy meals. Um, no. Let's not. The line, in other words, like all of our freedoms, is used against us. This is something that we need to put a stop to. Now.

    The hijacking of K-12 education was key to progs, and it has to be key to us. We cannot continue to allow schools to teach kids in elementary school about masturbation techniques and gay penguins. This is totally unacceptable. Schools need to get back to teaching traditional subjects (reading, writing, maths, science, history, etc.) and not social issues. The increased government control over our society (including education, which should never be handled out of DC, thus my assertion that the Department of Education has to be dismantled) has led to our nation's intellectual decline and to our not being competitive academically. Lefties did that, and we can undo it.

    But it's going to be another long-term battle. It took them decades to chip away at and essentially destroy our schools, and it will take that long to get back to academic excellence. Think about how many people who've been through this travesty of an education system, how many are now themselves teachers. It's almost too big to want to tackle, so overwhelming, but if we don't, who will? What will become of our nation and our children? We stop it now.

  8. “The hijacking of K-12 education was key to progs, and it has to be key to us. We cannot continue to allow schools to teach kids in elementary school about masturbation techniques and gay penguins. This is totally unacceptable. Schools need to get back to teaching traditional subjects (reading, writing, maths, science, history, etc.) and not social issues.”

    -YES. Here's the deal: PARENTS need to be teaching morals and values. NOT schools. Period.

  9. Exactly, Lisa, that's where we dropped the ball, though. We sort of bought into the PC nonsense and went along to get along. No more. There is far too much at stake to keep playing that game.

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