Hollow Points, “Any Means Necessary,” and Alinsky’s Rule 14

Some things that we’ve all been thinking for ages are finally seeing the light of day; by “light of day” I mean that they are no longer relegated to the tinfoil hat brigade.  Major General Jerry Curry’s post, “Who Does the Government Intend to Shoot?,” at The Daily Caller has spurred a couple of thoughtful and thought-provoking posts over at American Thinker.  MG Curry writes:

What would be the target of these 174, 000 rounds of hollow point bullets? It can’t simply be to control demonstrators or rioters. Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.

Potentially each hollow nose bullet represents a dead American. If so, why would the U.S. government want the SSA to kill 174,000 of our citizens, even during a time of civil unrest? Or is the purpose to kill 174,000 of the nation’s military and replace them with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) special security forces, forces loyal to the Administration, not to the Constitution?

Forces like the SS, loyal only to Hitler, not to Germany or the German people?  Possibly. After all, as MG Curry notes:

We have enough military forces to maintain law and order in the U.S. even during times of civil unrest.

We have local police, backed up by each state’s National Guard, backed up by the Department of Defense. So in addition to all these forces why does DHS need its own private army? Why do the SSA, NOAA and other government agencies need to create their own civilian security forces armed with hollow nose bullets?

Why indeed.  Needless to say, this news coupled with the gravitas provided by such an upstanding, respected military officer (retired. And certainly not of the tinfoil hat brigade) has caused quite a stir in the conservative blogosphere (even I posted a “Short” on it).

American Thinker has published, in the past few days, two pointed posts that address the issues raised by MG Curry:  Stella Paul’s “Will Obama Keep Power ‘by Any Means Necessary’?” and Cameron Reddy’s “Wargaming Termination of Tea Party Extremists.”  While these two articles may well have been in the works for a while (who doesn’t have several drafts of possible posts waiting to be molded into something worth hitting “publish” on?), they do follow the MG’s post and are taken, by me at least, in that context.

We have this puzzling mass purchase of hollow points, then we have a list of things that 0 and his traitorous horde have done in preparation for . . . what?, and finally, we have a cool-headed response to the (very real) threat under which we find ourselves and our great country.

Go read each of these articles (if you haven’t already).  As our dear, wonderful Adrienne says, go ahead, I’ll wait.

Each of these articles prompted a great deal of comments, and I’ve tried to read them all (but gave up, there are just too many).  One thing that is established, too clearly, in them is that some Americans are ready to take the fight to 0, to be, in Reddy’s spot-on analysis, “goad[ed] ” into doing exactly what they want.

Do I need to point out that doing exactly what they want us to do, are itching and hoping and NEED us to do, is a mistake of catastrophic proportions?

Things have changed since 2009, when I was certain that 0 would never give up power willingly.  I tried to capture that in my (ugh, so lengthy!) comment in response to Adrienne’s asking our thoughts on Paul’s essay, “Will Obama Keep Power By ‘Any Means Necessary’?” (note: I’m not setting this off as a quote, too, it creates too many icky layers):

I said back in ’09 that I believed that Obama would never give up power willingly. I understood fully who and what he is and what he’s doing, and I feared the worst for America. Since then, however, Americans are starting to get it. So many people, not just obscure bloggers such as myself or tinfoil hat loons tapping away in dark basements, are now willing and able to call Obama not only the radical that he is but also the communist fascist that he is. This is incredibly good news for America. Incredibly good news. So few people knew or understood what Stalin and Hitler were up to (to name but two similar totalitarian dictator types) that they got away with it. With so many people not only aware of what Obama’s up to but actively, vocally pushing back, I have every expectation that he and his traitorous horde will be stopped.

They didn’t count on so many things. They bought their own press (in both senses of the word, I guess), and they really believed that Americans were not only ready but eager to embrace the communist nightmare vision Obama and his treasonous scum fellows have in store for America. They thought they would have four years of a completely free hand to set up their structures, to put in place their means, to erect a devastating distortion of America. But they didn’t have that. Almost immediately, and by their own mistake, the American people got together and said not just no, but Hell NO! The TEA Party caught them completely off-guard. They thought they had us cowed, that screeching RAAAACIST would be enough, that Obama would be teflon in ways that the left only dreamed up and coveted when Reagan was the “teflon president.” They thought they had him covered with both the Messiah nonsense and the race card. They thought their union goons and scuzzy occudreg types would be sufficient. That strong-arming Boeing, Gibson, the TEA Parties would make everyone shut up. Heck, it worked so well, you see, for so many others who attempted and accomplished the same thing. They didn’t count on the new media, the Andrew Breitbart, the Jim Hoft, the Dana Loesch, the William Jacobson, and they certainly didn’t count on every day conservatives, American patriots quickly and fearlessly jumping onto social media and pushing back. Hard.

Do I think they’ve given up? Oh no. Not even close. Do I think things will get worse before they get better? Oh yes. Do I think they are fully and completely capable of concocting anything and everything, up to and including mass civil unrest and violence? Oh yes. But here’s the thing. We know it, and we are committed to resisting, as are vast numbers of current and former military, elected officials from local and state up to the federal government, police forces and other agencies at the state and federal level (or at least enough of them). There are plenty of “bluedog” democrats who are also in positions to help if and when this admin makes a move. All of this makes this moment in history totally different in every conceivable way from previous fascist takeovers. Add to that our Americanness, that special something that sets us apart from the people of other nations–certainly from the defeated, humiliated, desperate Germans and the impoverished, helpless Russians of the 1930’s and 1940’s, and they don’t stand a chance.

No scenario makes sense. Canceling the elections? Not going to happen; elections are state matters, state-controlled, not federal. They can’t be cancelled by the president. At least not in red states, and how stupid would Obama have to be to have only red states voting in a presidential election? And no hostile takeover of the United States, from within or without, makes any logistical sense at all. People talk about the UN coming in, and that is one thing that will set off not only patriotic constitutional conservatives but almost every American, including normal Democrats who love America (they still exist out in America, believe it or not). That would spark something that would not be pretty, create a far worse backlash than our own agencies doing it. So people talk about the ATF showing up at people’s homes and taking them and their guns into “custody”; the logistics of that make it impossible. Here’s what I wrote in response to this scenario on this post over at AT:

[Insert: here is the original comment to which I was responding:

November 23, 2012. Romney has won, but you hear a knock at your door at 11:30 p.m. You open the door and five armed ATF agents demand you turn over your registered firearms and ammo in compliance with an executive order from the White House. You also see a local school bus filled with your half dressed neighbors in idling front of your house and you are told that unless you turn over your guns you will be taken away to a holding area as a domestic terrorist.

How many of us have REALLY thought through the consequences of giving up our guns and the consequences of not doing so?

The tougher questions quickly becomes as a thinking connservative what am I willing to sacrifice -my life, my family, my security – in upholding the Constitution? Very tough questions without easy answers.

I carefully ask my Jewish friends if a Second Holocaust could happen today in America, as in Nazi Germany. Almost all say no, and they almost all support Obama. They often get upset at being asked such a question, yet it is one of the most crucial question an American Jew should think about. “Never Again” has morphed into, “You Must Be Crazy.”

As a thinking connservative do I beleive that Obama is capable and willing to pour lighter fluid on the remaining shreds of the Constitution and toss a match onto the parchment? Yes.

Do enough Americans -including myself — have the courage to follow THAT thread to it’s logical conclusion IF such a series events occurs? Again – very tough questions without easy answers.

Stella and American Thinker — excellent work….because only the naive and foolish think IT COULD NOT happen here in America.]

“There aren’t enough ATF agents, first of all, to pull this off. It would have to be simultaneously-executed at every gun-owner’s home nationwide. I don’t know about your neighborhood, but I can just imagine what would happen at the first house that bus pulled up to while armed agents demanded that first neighbor’s guns and attempted to force
his family onto a bus. They’d have to lock down every house and every person in every house for miles around to get away with that. This isn’t the 1930’s and ’40’s; we have the internet, phones . . . all manner of instant and near-instant communication. Further, if one worries about the Obama “kill switch” on communications, what on earth do you think Americans would do if they woke up one day and had no power, no access to the internet, no phone use? We’re also not dispirited Germans or impoverished Soviets, we’re freaking Americans!  The very idea of us shuffling off in our night robes to be taken on our special vacation trip to the gulag . . . nope, not going to happen.

There’s no way that an actual, overt takeover can happen; certainly not in a way that would make the risk outweigh the objective. America is enormous, our population dispersed, and our people well and truly ticked off. Ticked off and well-armed and more organized than many seem
to think. This sort of thing is out of the question; no agency, even the wild and wacky ATF, would agree to go through with it even if some “genius” in the WH thought it would be a good idea.”

I say all this with one caveat: we HAVE to win in November. Obama has to be routed, the GOP has to have a mandate. Ideally, we’ll also keep the House and take the Senate, making everything that needs to be done easier to do. Alas, our chances of the latter got much worse yesterday [insert: this was a reference to Akin not dropping out by the Tuesday, 5 p.m. CST deadline].

End oh-so-lengthy comment over at Adrienne’s.

Things have changed, and I’m rather alarmed by the chorus of conservative patriot voices who seem to be calling for violence.  Violence is not the answer.  That, to iterate Reddy’s point (one I’ve made frequently over the last four years), is exactly what they need in order to accomplish everything that we most fear.  Reddy directs us to Alinsky’s Rule 14:

RULE 14: “Push the enemy so hard with outrageous situations and allegations that he is forced to push back.”  Whenever possible, cause the enemy to respond, and when he does, hold him up for ridicule; then push harder.  (By threatening his security and way of life, you will always elicit a reaction that can be turned against him.)

They can’t accomplish their goals without us becoming violent, being plastered all over the television and newspapers acting like . . . well, like crazed lefties.  Remember, the people who opposed segregation were counting on, NEEDED, the black and white marchers to become violent.  It was their nonviolence, insisted upon by Martin Luther King, Jr., and the resultant images of nonviolent people being summarily beaten, whipped, dragged through the streets that shifted American sympathies, that made the Civil Rights Act possible.

We must commit, equally strongly and with equal determination and faith, to nonviolence.  As I said in a comment on Reddy’s article: Nonviolent adherence to our constitutional principles is the only way to defeat Obama and his traitorous horde. It’s what they fear most.  The second, and I mean the second, that conservatives respond with violence, we lose.  We lose it all.



22 thoughts on “Hollow Points, “Any Means Necessary,” and Alinsky’s Rule 14

  1. General Curry is right. In my view, government purchases of that much ammunition has but one purpose: deny that ammunition to the general population —and, I suspect for the reasons you’ve cited. I have read the article about Colonel Benton and Professor Weber’s scheme to classify the Tea Party as right wing insurgents. This is appalling beyond belief and I have communicated with my representative and senators demanding to know how the US Army can justify the expenditure of public money on these proponents of Obama’s socialist agenda. More people need to do this. We must flood our representative’s offices with demands to hold these people accountable. Finally, the phraseology used to introduce this scenario might have originated with Janet Napolitano’s report on “right wing extremism.”
    Link: http://www.trugop.org/PDF_Documents/DHS_RightWingExtremistReport.pdf

    There is a clear and present danger to the American people. There are judges who will authorize search and seizure warrants, and order arrests. Police officers will “follow orders,” even if that means violating the rights of their fellow citizens and even if these policemen are “oath takers.” Those same judges will authorize government to employ drones against citizens, as happened recently in North Dakota. I would not be surprised if government arms any of these drones with rockets. Why should I imagine such a thing? Oh, I don’t know … Waco and Ruby Ridge comes to mind, along with the arrest and illegal retention of a former Marine who dared to challenge government at his Face Book page. Has this happened before? Yes, between 1917 and 1918.

    Our nation has never been in greater danger; your advice about nonviolence is sound but most Americans will not go quietly into the night.

    Thank you for this excellent post.

    • Oh, I’m extremely alarmed, and have been since the April ’09 DHS memo that classified–essentially–all conservatives as potential “terrorists,” I’m not saying that they’re not setting up what they can to do something heinous, beyond description. Nor am I saying that any American can or should “go quietly into the night.”

      I’m simply saying that whatever they have planned, the scene has changed dramatically. Their attempts to marginalize the TEA Party haven’t worked, their attempts to silence new and conservative media haven’t worked, their attempts, in other words, to set up America for just what we’re all thinking haven’t worked. The only way now, the only feasible way, is if we give them a “reason” (excuse) to carry on, if we let them win the stand-off by succumbing to their “nudges” toward a violent response from us. They’ll do everything they can to get a violent response (a premature one) from conservatives, and if they get that, they win. The media will back them, the sympathies of Americans who’d never agree to anything like that would shift.

      None of the things you mention can take place right now, in this climate. They know it (or they’d have acted by now). We need to know it.

    • Ref:”Thank you for this excellent post.”

      Thank you for this excellent response…

      I was contempalting my own response but considering the hour and I’m about half dead right now I like what you have to say.
      Meanwhile, I read the Daily Caller post and never got back to it, thanks Fuzzy for this re-post.
      2:22 A.M. here on the east coast…nite, nite.

  2. We live in perilous times- thanks to reality-TV generation idiots who thought it would be cool to vote the the black guy who has Ludacris on his ipod and likes to play basketball

    This site is lookin’ good these days Fuz, blogroll updated

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  4. Don’t get so caught up on the hollow point issue. It’s a less penetrating round that’s better for police trying to minimize pass-through and ricochet risk to bystanders. If DHS was prepping for ‘war’ it would likely be stockpiling FMJ (full metal jacket) rounds. Also, for whatever reason, not all the DHS ammo buys went through. It looks like DHS may not have been willing to pay what ammo makers were bidding.

    In my opinion, the bigger issue is the huge force of law enforcement personnel (now at 65,000 to 70,000 according to one congressman’s site) under DHS control. And that doesn’t include FBI, ATF or U.S. Marshals, which come under the Department of Justice.

    Hmm. That makes me wonder. Why haven’t we seen DOJ or its agencies buying ammo?

    • Well, it’s rather . . . odd that the Social Security Admn and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Admin should be buying them in bulk. They can’t be used in war by actual soldiers, but these two agencies need them? For what? But no, that alone, doesn’t cause alarm. Everything else does when it’s added together. That said, I still don’t think that anything like what people are talking about can or will happen. But it doesn’t hurt to know what’s going on and what people are saying in response.

  5. Fuzzy, you are right that violence started by conservatives would be a disaster. But your blanket condemnation of it seems to indicate you believe we should be defenseless. There may come a time when violence is the only answer. Failure to acknowledge that terrifying fact will guarantee your subjugation forever.

    • I do not believe that any American should be defenseless or that we are. I hope and pray that it never comes to a point that there is no choice but to use violence, and I just can’t see it being likely at this point in time. I’m focused on the election on November 6th; we really need to win it all, but voting 0 out of office will be good enough for me (Not that I’ll sleep well until he’s actually gone in January).

  6. And now the Forest Service has put oit an “urgent” order for ammo including hollow points. They want their order filled within thirty days. What happens in thirty days? What is with all the orders for hollow points, which are designed to kill or do maximum damage? Isn’t it time the “We The People” deserved some honest answers as to what is going on?

    It seems like Alinsky’s Rules are growing. We are now at fourteen and he started with twelve. 🙂

  7. I’m not worried about the 174,000 rounds of ammunition being discussed. It’s actually not that much considering the number of people expected to shoot it.

    What does bother me is the reported 750 million rounds the piece reports as being ordered by the DHS in March. That is a huge number. I would *really* like to see some kind of source for Curry’s claim on that. If true, it seems like an enormous waste of money and resources…

  8. Whoops … sorry! That wasn’t the Washington Post. The examiner indicates that a government insider now claims that it was all part of a government disinformation program. Now, I’m really confused.

    • It may well be; that’s much more likely than an all-out assault on Americans. They’d only be able to carry it off if they scare us into acting prematurely. Obviously, that’s not going to work. 😉

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